Macky-Mac
May 4, 09:16 AM
It is seeming more and more likely that enhanced interrogation techniques (a.k.a. torture), provided information that allowed the U.S. to kill O.B.L.....
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I doubt we'll ever know the real facts as it's already turned political. It seems that supporters of torture are going to claim it worked and opponents will say the opposite
Before a day had passed, the torture debate had flared. The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, told Fox News that the success of the hunt for Bin Laden was due to waterboarding. The next morning, Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California and chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said just as flatly that “none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices.” NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html)
for what it's worth, the NY Times report contradicts the idea that torture provided the vitally useful information
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I doubt we'll ever know the real facts as it's already turned political. It seems that supporters of torture are going to claim it worked and opponents will say the opposite
Before a day had passed, the torture debate had flared. The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, told Fox News that the success of the hunt for Bin Laden was due to waterboarding. The next morning, Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California and chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said just as flatly that “none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices.” NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html)
for what it's worth, the NY Times report contradicts the idea that torture provided the vitally useful information
demondgale
Aug 29, 10:57 PM
If it does go down, ustream.tv will change the stream to a better server, they've done it in the past for video streams of MWSF08 and the special event they had back in March, both thanks to iPhone Alley.
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thenish
Sep 10, 08:07 PM
I've attached it because when I usually post it, it comes out too big.
Anyway you could provide the original? I searched on google but wasn't able to find this one?
thx in advance
Anyway you could provide the original? I searched on google but wasn't able to find this one?
thx in advance
Lord Blackadder
May 5, 12:49 PM
Nope, not too squeamish just going by the thread title. It's torture, there you happy?
No, I'm not, because I want it to stop. But at least you are speaking in plain english now.
Again, we are not europe. So europe doesn't torture and where has that gotten them? They still get attacked by terrorists, even sweden, go figure. Moral superiority or not, safety of our nation and other western nations is more important. If torture is needed to get that information and save thousands of lives, then we should do it.
This has nothing to do with Europe vs the US. Europe doesn't have any bearing on whether Americans feel torture is an acceptable activity. I don't think we need to torture people in order to combat terrorism. Torture is wrong, it damages our credibility and brutalizes us as a society. I want no part in it, and bin Laden's carcass is a very poor reward for the hundreds of thousands of people who have died during this quest to find him. After 9/11, the US received genuine sympathy from all over the world. We've squandered that goodwill and then some over the last decade.
Someone has to do the dirty work, and it's always us. But that's ok, that's how it's always been and it's why we're such a proud nation.
American exceptionalism at its worst. As long as you think you're better than everyone else, you'll be blind to reality and it will cost us in the end.
No, I'm not, because I want it to stop. But at least you are speaking in plain english now.
Again, we are not europe. So europe doesn't torture and where has that gotten them? They still get attacked by terrorists, even sweden, go figure. Moral superiority or not, safety of our nation and other western nations is more important. If torture is needed to get that information and save thousands of lives, then we should do it.
This has nothing to do with Europe vs the US. Europe doesn't have any bearing on whether Americans feel torture is an acceptable activity. I don't think we need to torture people in order to combat terrorism. Torture is wrong, it damages our credibility and brutalizes us as a society. I want no part in it, and bin Laden's carcass is a very poor reward for the hundreds of thousands of people who have died during this quest to find him. After 9/11, the US received genuine sympathy from all over the world. We've squandered that goodwill and then some over the last decade.
Someone has to do the dirty work, and it's always us. But that's ok, that's how it's always been and it's why we're such a proud nation.
American exceptionalism at its worst. As long as you think you're better than everyone else, you'll be blind to reality and it will cost us in the end.
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edesignuk
Feb 14, 01:12 PM
Just to let know everybody that i just sent my first complain about edesignuk as a moderator.
I'm gonna have to go with the crowd here and ask why? I'm not aware that I've done anything other than move a couple of threads, and ban a few spammers :confused:
Its fair to say that you and I don't really get along often, but I'm certainly not out to get anyone.
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I'm gonna have to go with the crowd here and ask why? I'm not aware that I've done anything other than move a couple of threads, and ban a few spammers :confused:
Its fair to say that you and I don't really get along often, but I'm certainly not out to get anyone.
AppleScruff1
Mar 26, 02:01 PM
And this one will be too. :D
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eawmp1
May 4, 06:57 AM
It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”
-Donald Rumsfield, May 2, 2011
OP - You prove to us how torture has consistently provided useful, actionable intelligence. Then you still try to make a moral case for its use. The burden of proof is on those who wish to use toeture, not on those who question its use.
-Donald Rumsfield, May 2, 2011
OP - You prove to us how torture has consistently provided useful, actionable intelligence. Then you still try to make a moral case for its use. The burden of proof is on those who wish to use toeture, not on those who question its use.
schrysco
Jun 24, 10:30 AM
what do you mean they had none and they had 5?
they had none? or they had 5?
they had none? or they had 5?
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chris200x9
Mar 17, 03:57 PM
The event in itself is incredibly despicable and very sad, but to add insult to injury by saying something unbelievably stupid and downright mean? Seriously do these people think before they speak? All I can say is wtf is wrong with people.
eawmp1
May 2, 09:43 PM
pictures necessary? will we see their penises when they donate sperm
what a horrid picture on the front!
Would you prefer this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=280885&d=1302575577
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Would you prefer this:
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AstroBranden
Oct 28, 04:31 PM
http://att.macrumors.com/contest/528597.mp4
jicon
Sep 26, 09:23 PM
This news underscores to me that Mail 2.0 is really only a somewhat decent web interface for your email.
It's a crime that any application with WYSIWYG support won't allow you to select non-contiguous text to apply formatting.
Fine and dandy that .Mac is getting an overhaul, but I'm really hoping for some big improvements for Mail in Leopard.
It's a crime that any application with WYSIWYG support won't allow you to select non-contiguous text to apply formatting.
Fine and dandy that .Mac is getting an overhaul, but I'm really hoping for some big improvements for Mail in Leopard.
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BigDonII
May 4, 10:58 AM
factory unlocked
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Chase R
Dec 4, 04:03 AM
how do some of you guys show what song your listening to on the desktop or what the date is etc?
It's a program called GeekTool (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=628023).
It's a program called GeekTool (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=628023).
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basesloaded190
Apr 4, 11:49 AM
Come on people its a contract. You signed it and agreed to a two year commitment. Now you are all pissed when they want to charge you $50 to buy a brand new phone months earlier than you contract normally would allow you to? Give me a break
mico
Jul 18, 09:06 AM
Anyone know how to have a three way audio ichat. I can't seem to get the third person in. I get a warning that I have a conference already open. All people i want to talk to are using macs and have gone to apple discussionsfo info to no avail. Thanks
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bigandy
Nov 29, 01:26 PM
I still don't understand what the issue is here. I can buy a DVD for almost the same amount and play it on as many devices as I want. The DVD has much better quality than the Apple downloads and has extra bonus features as well.
Oh, and part of the reason movies are now costing so much is for the exhorbitant salaries that certain actors get paid.
agreed. maybe DVDs should explode after being inserted into five different players :rolleyes:
also, maybe instead of paying Tom Cruise et al $25m a film (a quarter of this average 'budget'), why not get decent actors? or the studios agree more reasonable salaries. i mean, i couldn't even spend that much money. there are only so many apple products :D
Oh, and part of the reason movies are now costing so much is for the exhorbitant salaries that certain actors get paid.
agreed. maybe DVDs should explode after being inserted into five different players :rolleyes:
also, maybe instead of paying Tom Cruise et al $25m a film (a quarter of this average 'budget'), why not get decent actors? or the studios agree more reasonable salaries. i mean, i couldn't even spend that much money. there are only so many apple products :D
SPUY767
Oct 2, 07:11 AM
Well said. Maybe its time freeware communities such as OpenOffice make a HUGE push of functionality, portability, efficiency, and ability to work with Active Directory & Such to challenge MS.
I've talked to an Opensource Guru, and he says that about 30% of AD updates are designed to foil Samba compatibility.
I've talked to an Opensource Guru, and he says that about 30% of AD updates are designed to foil Samba compatibility.
ibook30
Sep 24, 05:12 PM
I wouldn't be OK with this.
After taking friends to clinics - seeing births - and some of the possible results ,,, I know at 18 I had no idea what I was doing. Thought I did, come to find out I was wrong.
After taking friends to clinics - seeing births - and some of the possible results ,,, I know at 18 I had no idea what I was doing. Thought I did, come to find out I was wrong.
twoodcc
Dec 28, 10:01 PM
Quite an... urm... interesting forum...why does it look like a lot of posts are just copy overs from MR? :p
yeah i was bored so i was testing out some scripts to test my server. i don't use that forum except for keeping track of stuff now, like folding. but that's not the point of this thread.
yeah i was bored so i was testing out some scripts to test my server. i don't use that forum except for keeping track of stuff now, like folding. but that's not the point of this thread.
jbanger
Dec 11, 01:17 AM
^ http://www.flickr.com/photos/syunsune/4526763573/
JLemm
Apr 3, 11:30 AM
depends on how much dust is in the room when you put the new one on..
marksman
Apr 27, 06:47 PM
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No, that already exists for cydia users...
Yes. This goes to show you how smart JB users are.. They actually instill apps that disable functionality of their phone.
No, that already exists for cydia users...
Yes. This goes to show you how smart JB users are.. They actually instill apps that disable functionality of their phone.
munkle
Nov 14, 09:51 PM
Some more cool free apps that haven't been mentioned:
Mail.appetizer (http://www.bronsonbeta.com/mailappetizer/beta/): a nice and simple new e-mail notifier screen.
Graffiti (http://www.ianhenderson.org/software/graffiti): lets you flip over any window in a Cocoa application and write on the back!
Mail.appetizer (http://www.bronsonbeta.com/mailappetizer/beta/): a nice and simple new e-mail notifier screen.
Graffiti (http://www.ianhenderson.org/software/graffiti): lets you flip over any window in a Cocoa application and write on the back!
